non-logged operations

SQL 7.0 SP1 on NT 4 SP6a Cluster.
We have a DB with the option "select into/bulk copy" set to true.
When non-logged operations happens, the backup of the transaction log fail, so we do a differential backup instead and everything is ok.
My questions are:

UPGRADING to SQL 2K,

1 Do we have to choose the "Bulk-Logged" recovery model?
and if so,
2 Do we still need to run differential backup because backup of t-log will fail as on SQL 7.0?
Can somebody help me with this?
TIA.
Franco
:cool:In BULK_LOGGED recovery mode certain bulk operations are only minimally logged increasing performance and decreasing log size. Performing builk operations do not require you to process backup, since they are actually logged thoughout BCM page. For every datafile there is one BCM page where one bit correspond to extent modification by minimally logged operation. When you perform tran log backup, sql scans BCM and backups these extents. As a result you are getting larger tranlog backups then in FULL mode.

HTH,
OBRP

NonLogged Bulk copy syntax

SQL 7.0
I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with 90
millin records to an empty table structure that's
different than the source structure.
Does someone know the syntax?
old table example:
name, char, 30
address,char,30
new table example:
name,char,30
id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file structure
address, char,30
thanks,
DonUse select into statement
That is not logged.
You can select * or select fieldlist.
"Don" <anonymous@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:54aa01c4c911$c07226b0$a401280a@.phx.gbl...
> SQL 7.0
> I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with 90
> millin records to an empty table structure that's
> different than the source structure.
> Does someone know the syntax?
> old table example:
> name, char, 30
> address,char,30
> new table example:
> name,char,30
> id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file structure
> address, char,30
> thanks,
> Don
>|||Just to be clear you can never have a non-logged operation in SQL Server.
You can get what is called a Minimally Logged operation by doing a Select
Into, BCP or Bulk Insert when the proper conditions are set. This still
logs entries to the transaction log but are minimal compared to the fully
logged operations. In the case of the Select Into you need to be in the
Bulk Logged or Simple recovery mode for this to occur.
Andrew J. Kelly SQL MVP
<news.optonline.net> wrote in message
news:%235btXEVyEHA.3784@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Use select into statement
> That is not logged.
> You can select * or select fieldlist.
>
> "Don" <anonymous@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:54aa01c4c911$c07226b0$a401280a@.phx.gbl...
>|||To do this I would create a view on the new table
create view vw_newtable
as
select * from newtable
than bcp the data out
master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..oldtbl out c:\oldtbl.txt -N'
then bcp in
master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..newtbl out c:\newtbl.txt -N'
Note there must be no indexes on the dest table.
For 90 million recs I would consider doing the above but maybe 10 million
recs at a time. Use a query to extract the data with queryout on an indexed
column (or you can use views in the same way)
"Don" wrote:

> SQL 7.0
> I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with 90
> millin records to an empty table structure that's
> different than the source structure.
> Does someone know the syntax?
> old table example:
> name, char, 30
> address,char,30
> new table example:
> name,char,30
> id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file structure
> address, char,30
> thanks,
> Don
>|||I'm using SQL 7.0 and the modes you mention are for SQL
2000.
Don

>--Original Message--
>Just to be clear you can never have a non-logged
operation in SQL Server.
>You can get what is called a Minimally Logged operation
by doing a Select
>Into, BCP or Bulk Insert when the proper conditions are
set. This still
>logs entries to the transaction log but are minimal
compared to the fully
>logged operations. In the case of the Select Into you
need to be in the
>Bulk Logged or Simple recovery mode for this to occur.
>
>--
>Andrew J. Kelly SQL MVP
>
><news.optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:%235btXEVyEHA.3784@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
message[vbcol=seagreen]
90[vbcol=seagreen]
structure[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>.
>|||I guess I don't follow. for one thing you say bcp in, but
then the command is out.
then i don't see where anything done in the view is used
again in the bcp commands.
thanks,
don

>--Original Message--
>To do this I would create a view on the new table
>create view vw_newtable
>as
>select * from newtable
>than bcp the data out
>master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..oldtbl out c:\oldtbl.txt -
N'
>then bcp in
>master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..newtbl out c:\newtbl.txt -
N'
>Note there must be no indexes on the dest table.
>For 90 million recs I would consider doing the above but
maybe 10 million
>recs at a time. Use a query to extract the data with
queryout on an indexed
>column (or you can use views in the same way)
>
>
>
>"Don" wrote:
>
90[vbcol=seagreen]
>.
>|||Then make sure you set the Select Into / Bulk Insert mode and it will be the
same.
Andrew J. Kelly SQL MVP
"Don" <anonymous@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:07db01c4c9bb$f22588f0$a501280a@.phx.gbl...[vbcol=seagreen]
> I'm using SQL 7.0 and the modes you mention are for SQL
> 2000.
> Don
>
> operation in SQL Server.
> by doing a Select
> set. This still
> compared to the fully
> need to be in the
> message
> 90
> structure|||doh (deliberate mistake - left to the reader)
create view vw_newtable
as
select * from newtable
then bcp the data out
master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..oldtbl out c:\oldtbl.txt -N'
then bcp in
master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..vw_newtbl in c:\newtbl.txt -N'
"Don" wrote:

> I guess I don't follow. for one thing you say bcp in, but
> then the command is out.
> then i don't see where anything done in the view is used
> again in the bcp commands.
> thanks,
> don
>
> N'
> N'
> maybe 10 million
> queryout on an indexed
> 90
>

NonLogged Bulk copy syntax

SQL 7.0
I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with 90
millin records to an empty table structure that's
different than the source structure.
Does someone know the syntax?
old table example:
name, char, 30
address,char,30
new table example:
name,char,30
id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file structure
address, char,30
thanks,
DonUse select into statement
That is not logged.
You can select * or select fieldlist.
"Don" <anonymous@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:54aa01c4c911$c07226b0$a401280a@.phx.gbl...
> SQL 7.0
> I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with 90
> millin records to an empty table structure that's
> different than the source structure.
> Does someone know the syntax?
> old table example:
> name, char, 30
> address,char,30
> new table example:
> name,char,30
> id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file structure
> address, char,30
> thanks,
> Don
>|||Just to be clear you can never have a non-logged operation in SQL Server.
You can get what is called a Minimally Logged operation by doing a Select
Into, BCP or Bulk Insert when the proper conditions are set. This still
logs entries to the transaction log but are minimal compared to the fully
logged operations. In the case of the Select Into you need to be in the
Bulk Logged or Simple recovery mode for this to occur.
Andrew J. Kelly SQL MVP
<news.optonline.net> wrote in message
news:%235btXEVyEHA.3784@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Use select into statement
> That is not logged.
> You can select * or select fieldlist.
>
> "Don" <anonymous@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:54aa01c4c911$c07226b0$a401280a@.phx.gbl...
>> SQL 7.0
>> I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with 90
>> millin records to an empty table structure that's
>> different than the source structure.
>> Does someone know the syntax?
>> old table example:
>> name, char, 30
>> address,char,30
>> new table example:
>> name,char,30
>> id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file structure
>> address, char,30
>> thanks,
>> Don
>|||To do this I would create a view on the new table
create view vw_newtable
as
select * from newtable
than bcp the data out
master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..oldtbl out c:\oldtbl.txt -N'
then bcp in
master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..newtbl out c:\newtbl.txt -N'
Note there must be no indexes on the dest table.
For 90 million recs I would consider doing the above but maybe 10 million
recs at a time. Use a query to extract the data with queryout on an indexed
column (or you can use views in the same way)
"Don" wrote:
> SQL 7.0
> I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with 90
> millin records to an empty table structure that's
> different than the source structure.
> Does someone know the syntax?
> old table example:
> name, char, 30
> address,char,30
> new table example:
> name,char,30
> id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file structure
> address, char,30
> thanks,
> Don
>|||I'm using SQL 7.0 and the modes you mention are for SQL
2000.
Don
>--Original Message--
>Just to be clear you can never have a non-logged
operation in SQL Server.
>You can get what is called a Minimally Logged operation
by doing a Select
>Into, BCP or Bulk Insert when the proper conditions are
set. This still
>logs entries to the transaction log but are minimal
compared to the fully
>logged operations. In the case of the Select Into you
need to be in the
>Bulk Logged or Simple recovery mode for this to occur.
>
>--
>Andrew J. Kelly SQL MVP
>
><news.optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:%235btXEVyEHA.3784@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Use select into statement
>> That is not logged.
>> You can select * or select fieldlist.
>>
>> "Don" <anonymous@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
>> news:54aa01c4c911$c07226b0$a401280a@.phx.gbl...
>> SQL 7.0
>> I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with
90
>> millin records to an empty table structure that's
>> different than the source structure.
>> Does someone know the syntax?
>> old table example:
>> name, char, 30
>> address,char,30
>> new table example:
>> name,char,30
>> id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file
structure
>> address, char,30
>> thanks,
>> Don
>>
>
>.
>|||I guess I don't follow. for one thing you say bcp in, but
then the command is out.
then i don't see where anything done in the view is used
again in the bcp commands.
thanks,
don
>--Original Message--
>To do this I would create a view on the new table
>create view vw_newtable
>as
>select * from newtable
>than bcp the data out
>master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..oldtbl out c:\oldtbl.txt -
N'
>then bcp in
>master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..newtbl out c:\newtbl.txt -
N'
>Note there must be no indexes on the dest table.
>For 90 million recs I would consider doing the above but
maybe 10 million
>recs at a time. Use a query to extract the data with
queryout on an indexed
>column (or you can use views in the same way)
>
>
>
>"Don" wrote:
>> SQL 7.0
>> I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with
90
>> millin records to an empty table structure that's
>> different than the source structure.
>> Does someone know the syntax?
>> old table example:
>> name, char, 30
>> address,char,30
>> new table example:
>> name,char,30
>> id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file structure
>> address, char,30
>> thanks,
>> Don
>>
>.
>|||Then make sure you set the Select Into / Bulk Insert mode and it will be the
same.
--
Andrew J. Kelly SQL MVP
"Don" <anonymous@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:07db01c4c9bb$f22588f0$a501280a@.phx.gbl...
> I'm using SQL 7.0 and the modes you mention are for SQL
> 2000.
> Don
>>--Original Message--
>>Just to be clear you can never have a non-logged
> operation in SQL Server.
>>You can get what is called a Minimally Logged operation
> by doing a Select
>>Into, BCP or Bulk Insert when the proper conditions are
> set. This still
>>logs entries to the transaction log but are minimal
> compared to the fully
>>logged operations. In the case of the Select Into you
> need to be in the
>>Bulk Logged or Simple recovery mode for this to occur.
>>
>>--
>>Andrew J. Kelly SQL MVP
>>
>><news.optonline.net> wrote in message
>>news:%235btXEVyEHA.3784@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Use select into statement
>> That is not logged.
>> You can select * or select fieldlist.
>>
>> "Don" <anonymous@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
>> news:54aa01c4c911$c07226b0$a401280a@.phx.gbl...
>> SQL 7.0
>> I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with
> 90
>> millin records to an empty table structure that's
>> different than the source structure.
>> Does someone know the syntax?
>> old table example:
>> name, char, 30
>> address,char,30
>> new table example:
>> name,char,30
>> id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file
> structure
>> address, char,30
>> thanks,
>> Don
>>
>>
>>.|||doh (deliberate mistake - left to the reader)
create view vw_newtable
as
select * from newtable
then bcp the data out
master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..oldtbl out c:\oldtbl.txt -N'
then bcp in
master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..vw_newtbl in c:\newtbl.txt -N'
"Don" wrote:
> I guess I don't follow. for one thing you say bcp in, but
> then the command is out.
> then i don't see where anything done in the view is used
> again in the bcp commands.
> thanks,
> don
> >--Original Message--
> >To do this I would create a view on the new table
> >create view vw_newtable
> >as
> >select * from newtable
> >
> >than bcp the data out
> >
> >master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..oldtbl out c:\oldtbl.txt -
> N'
> >then bcp in
> >master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..newtbl out c:\newtbl.txt -
> N'
> >
> >Note there must be no indexes on the dest table.
> >For 90 million recs I would consider doing the above but
> maybe 10 million
> >recs at a time. Use a query to extract the data with
> queryout on an indexed
> >column (or you can use views in the same way)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Don" wrote:
> >
> >> SQL 7.0
> >>
> >> I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with
> 90
> >> millin records to an empty table structure that's
> >> different than the source structure.
> >> Does someone know the syntax?
> >>
> >> old table example:
> >> name, char, 30
> >> address,char,30
> >>
> >> new table example:
> >> name,char,30
> >> id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file structure
> >> address, char,30
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Don
> >>
> >>
> >.
> >
>sql

NonLogged Bulk copy syntax

SQL 7.0
I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with 90
millin records to an empty table structure that's
different than the source structure.
Does someone know the syntax?
old table example:
name, char, 30
address,char,30
new table example:
name,char,30
id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file structure
address, char,30
thanks,
Don
Use select into statement
That is not logged.
You can select * or select fieldlist.
"Don" <anonymous@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:54aa01c4c911$c07226b0$a401280a@.phx.gbl...
> SQL 7.0
> I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with 90
> millin records to an empty table structure that's
> different than the source structure.
> Does someone know the syntax?
> old table example:
> name, char, 30
> address,char,30
> new table example:
> name,char,30
> id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file structure
> address, char,30
> thanks,
> Don
>
|||Just to be clear you can never have a non-logged operation in SQL Server.
You can get what is called a Minimally Logged operation by doing a Select
Into, BCP or Bulk Insert when the proper conditions are set. This still
logs entries to the transaction log but are minimal compared to the fully
logged operations. In the case of the Select Into you need to be in the
Bulk Logged or Simple recovery mode for this to occur.
Andrew J. Kelly SQL MVP
<news.optonline.net> wrote in message
news:%235btXEVyEHA.3784@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Use select into statement
> That is not logged.
> You can select * or select fieldlist.
>
> "Don" <anonymous@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:54aa01c4c911$c07226b0$a401280a@.phx.gbl...
>
|||To do this I would create a view on the new table
create view vw_newtable
as
select * from newtable
than bcp the data out
master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..oldtbl out c:\oldtbl.txt -N'
then bcp in
master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..newtbl out c:\newtbl.txt -N'
Note there must be no indexes on the dest table.
For 90 million recs I would consider doing the above but maybe 10 million
recs at a time. Use a query to extract the data with queryout on an indexed
column (or you can use views in the same way)
"Don" wrote:

> SQL 7.0
> I need to use nonlogged bcp to copy from a table with 90
> millin records to an empty table structure that's
> different than the source structure.
> Does someone know the syntax?
> old table example:
> name, char, 30
> address,char,30
> new table example:
> name,char,30
> id,decimal,10 this is NULL on the source file structure
> address, char,30
> thanks,
> Don
>
|||I'm using SQL 7.0 and the modes you mention are for SQL
2000.
Don

>--Original Message--
>Just to be clear you can never have a non-logged
operation in SQL Server.
>You can get what is called a Minimally Logged operation
by doing a Select
>Into, BCP or Bulk Insert when the proper conditions are
set. This still
>logs entries to the transaction log but are minimal
compared to the fully
>logged operations. In the case of the Select Into you
need to be in the[vbcol=seagreen]
>Bulk Logged or Simple recovery mode for this to occur.
>
>--
>Andrew J. Kelly SQL MVP
>
><news.optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:%235btXEVyEHA.3784@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
message[vbcol=seagreen]
90[vbcol=seagreen]
structure
>
>.
>
|||I guess I don't follow. for one thing you say bcp in, but
then the command is out.
then i don't see where anything done in the view is used
again in the bcp commands.
thanks,
don

>--Original Message--
>To do this I would create a view on the new table
>create view vw_newtable
>as
>select * from newtable
>than bcp the data out
>master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..oldtbl out c:\oldtbl.txt -
N'
>then bcp in
>master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..newtbl out c:\newtbl.txt -
N'
>Note there must be no indexes on the dest table.
>For 90 million recs I would consider doing the above but
maybe 10 million
>recs at a time. Use a query to extract the data with
queryout on an indexed[vbcol=seagreen]
>column (or you can use views in the same way)
>
>
>
>"Don" wrote:
90
>.
>
|||Then make sure you set the Select Into / Bulk Insert mode and it will be the
same.
Andrew J. Kelly SQL MVP
"Don" <anonymous@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:07db01c4c9bb$f22588f0$a501280a@.phx.gbl...[vbcol=seagreen]
> I'm using SQL 7.0 and the modes you mention are for SQL
> 2000.
> Don
> operation in SQL Server.
> by doing a Select
> set. This still
> compared to the fully
> need to be in the
> message
> 90
> structure
|||doh (deliberate mistake - left to the reader)
create view vw_newtable
as
select * from newtable
then bcp the data out
master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..oldtbl out c:\oldtbl.txt -N'
then bcp in
master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp mydb..vw_newtbl in c:\newtbl.txt -N'
"Don" wrote:

> I guess I don't follow. for one thing you say bcp in, but
> then the command is out.
> then i don't see where anything done in the view is used
> again in the bcp commands.
> thanks,
> don
> N'
> N'
> maybe 10 million
> queryout on an indexed
> 90
>